Trespassing

[Pathfinder1]

[QUOTE=oldsarge;55149]So then use concertina wire. It's made to keep people out!





Interesting idea, oldsarge...!!






If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck...

[oldsarge]

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck...

Never fight fair!

[CozInCowtown]

Chad, here in Texas we have laws to protect victoms of crime.
Tresspasing is a crime, especially if the criminal has been previously warned, signs posted and LEO contacted and reports filed.
I do not care to be put upon by others or my property damaged by some punks on ats rutting up my pastures.
Tresspassing is a crime, deal with criminals in an appropriate way or quit *****ing and just let it happen.
JMO,
I use 4 strands of barbed wire on my place and it keeps livestock in and people out.
DC

[ChadTower]

Businesses cannot do it either. That's why you only see barbed wire up on top of chain link fences or stone/concrete walls. You never see a fence made purely of barbed wire with the express purpose of keeping people out unless there is a compelling reason to keep them out (e.g. a mineshaft, uncovered wells, etc).

[oldsarge]

Originally Posted by ChadTower

You never see a fence made purely of barbed wire with the express purpose of keeping people out unless there is a compelling reason to keep them out (e.g. a mineshaft, uncovered wells, etc).

It's done more often then you think. Private property is reason enough. We're not talking about some subdivision that neighbors someones house. Putting multiple strands of barbed wire out in the sticks in unincorporated ares, along your property line is done a lot out here.

The problem we see out here on occasion, in the far south suburbs of Chicago (35 miles), since we boarder a lot of open areas with farms and whatever. We get bone heads that will buy a snowmobile with no place to ride it. Then because they live so close to open fields they feel they can ride there. After some numb skull blast through a fence and gets all trashed out, they learn real quick about trespassing. See... we know the deal out here, stay the hell off other folks property, or get arrested. Plain and simple.

[ChadTower]

Well, of course folks can do it, but it's not worth the lawsuit. The lawsuit could happen there and would happen here.

[oldsarge]

Originally Posted by ChadTower

Well, of course folks can do it, but it's not worth the lawsuit. The lawsuit could happen there and would happen here.

They have happened here! I'm 55, when I was 15 and riding dirt bikes, the same issues were brought up about people getting hurt on private property. Land owners have rights. And if they go about it the right way, they can exerciser those rights. Basically, the way it is out here, if you get hurt while trespassing, it's on you. Remember now, this has to be posted. I know of areas the are so far out in the sticks, nobody hardly ever goes out there, yet there's posted signage all over to not trespass.

Basically all I'm saying is that not every case is a lawsuit. As far as barbed wire goes, you can put it on the top of a fence, but what happens when someone tries to climb over anyway and gets hung up in it. Is that a lawsuit? This can be debated forever. I just read a story in the paper of a guy who was convicted of DUI and homicide for killing the other driver. Now this guy is suing the dead mans estate because he doesn't think he was at fault. This just shows how screwed up our legal system is.

[ChadTower]

Well, on top of a fence it's not a debate. The barbed wire is not at ground level. You have to go out of your way to encounter the dangerous part of the barrier. Climbing the fence cannot be considered an act of ignorance or an accident and the reasonable expectation of safety is met.

Yes, the system is screwed up, but it is rarely the judgement that bankrupts someone. It is the litigation process and its associated costs that screw you. That is why insurance companies just settle quickly, to avoid that cost, and why people are so quick to sue. Because they know that in most cases they can get a quick twenty grand to shut up and go away.

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by oldsarge

This just shows how screwed up our legal system is.

At last, something on this thread we CAN all agree upon